Monday, June 13, 2011

8110 - Seeking for answers

After the photo coverage of the Unimog building process few days ago, several mistakes have been reported and some new doubts/questions were raised by AFOLs, who carefully studied these photos.

First issue concerns with the way the L4 engine gets connected to the main drive shaft. Common sense says it should connect to the central differential, instead of any other of differentials in the front and rear axles. However the photos available doesn't explain how is it accomplished. Furthermore it is shown a misleading central 3L diff (62821), while a few indicia tell us, the older 4L diff (6573) should be used in its place.
Allan Porter (Allanp) was the first to point at EB the possible evidence for the mistake, and Menno Gorter edited the photo to cut the building instructions where we can find a notice, warning the users that the old diff should be used, instead of the new one.



Another discussion has been around the pneumatic pump cylinder. Despite it being released in a new color (LBG), some also observed that it looks a bit longer than usual...
The fact is that pneumatic pumps used in official LEGO Technic sets, like 8868 (Air Tech Claw Rig) and 8049 (Tractor with Log Loader), use the Small Pump (x191c01) in combination with a Technic Engine Crankshaft (2853) in order to achieve a 1L displacement. Despite this pump cylinder is capable of a 2L displacement, it doesn't fit within a linear setup over a Technic beam as we can see from the photo below, where Menno Gorter also tries illustrate this limitation.

In order to achieve a 2L displacement (double stroke) and optimal pump efficiency, some other arrangements might be used, like a bent liftarm (6-4) or even some old school studmore designs. However such arrangements wouldn't fit properly in the Unimog and would also require more space available. That's probably the reason why the LEGO Technic Designers may have developed a new pump cylinder, half stud longer.
Optimal use of the pump cylinder maximum displacement, is very important for a faster and smoother operation of the pneumatic cylinders on the crane arm.
If the former 1L displacement pump solution was already a bit under-performant on the 8049, with a third cylinder on the arm, it could become a disaster for the Unimog... if one tries to actuate several of the pneumatic switch levers simultaneously, or at a fast pace.


And the Unimog different new parts amount, increases again to eight:
  • Pneumatic nozzle (PPTO)
  • 6L mini-pump cylinder
  • Torque tube (outer joint)
  • Torque tube (inner joint) - This one comes attached to a kind of C-frame
  • Portal axle gearbox
  • Steering hub (new design to fit with the new portal gearbox)
  • 9.5L shock absorber (Extra stiff)
  • New tire (94,3 x 38R)


Finally another issue that raised also some interest. As stated in a previous post, it wouldn't make any sense to develop all new parts like the gearbox hubs, for the portal axles, if we won't have one way to drive movement to the wheels. It happens that existing similar previous steering hubs [1, 2] doesn't provide any mean to accomplish such function, what raises the doubt whether the new part allows to do it, or not!?

My opinion was that it should somehow provide an axle connection, inside the hollow that also exists in the previous parts.
This time it was Gerard and later Menno, who decided to take the quest to find evidence of it. Some searching, a little of Photoshop and that's it... An axle hole at the end of the hollow!



Another doubt solved!

15 comments:

JAMS said...

i dont understand what those dark bluish grey things around each ujoint are ??

JAMS said...

Also, from all the pictures on flickr, it looks like the new mini pump is gray, and it looks just a slight bit taller than the current minipump

Allanp said...

Thanks or the mention Conchas, tho I should say that Allan Portillo is not my name, It's Allan Porter. I used to use the name Portillo when I was paranoid about identity theft!

Conchas said...

@Allanp

sorry, I'll fix it still today. :)
Then are you also Allan Elwood, or is it another nickname? ;)

Allanp said...

Allan.elwood is my e-mail, Elwood is taken from the Blue brothers movie ;^)

Conchas said...

@Allanp

Ok... updated to Allan Porter! ;)

Gerhard said...

@ Choncas,

your wrote, that "Menno" found the Axle-hole in the axle connection and that he did the photoshoping.
That is not correct: it was me (user tripletschiee).
Please correct that.
Many thanks!

Regards,
Gerhard

Gerhard said...

Here is the link to my answer:

http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=51101&view=findpost&p=1007366

Conchas said...

@Gerhard

sorry, there might have been some confusion about this.

I saw this a EB before and got the larger image later from Meeno.
At first I thought it was also his identity at EB
Guess he further enlarged and photoshoped either your image, or directly from the same source.
Nevertheless to avoid confusion I've added the names from both and linked your post.

Sorry for the confusion!

Menno Gorter said...

My only goal was to clarify and solve the mysteries and I had no intention at all to have my name in this.

I only provided some pictures directly edited from the comunidade 0937 pictures and said Conchas might use them in a further discussion.
( I can't or won't claim these pictures are mine since I didn't take them, obviously! )

So, Conchas wrote a nice overview of the last gaps and we should thank him for doing that. ;-)




P.s.: I didn't use photoshop, only the standard editor of my computer.
The picture of the pumps was taken with my cellphone. ;-)
( And I'm not an EB member or reader; sorry for that..... )

Miguel said...

Can someone tell me where to pre-order the 8110 lego unimog PLEASE??

21st century Cars said...

@Miguel
I think you can pre-order the Unimog from here( I'm not gonna pre-order mine so i;m not sure)

21st century Cars said...

or here http://www.amazon.de/dp/B004OT2WKO?m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&tag=idealocom

Lars Martin said...

Look at http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=uJ8oPh5QE-8. For a super video review of the 8110

21st century Cars said...

Hey everybody check this out
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