Monday, October 3, 2011

LEGO Technic Supercars


This month Jeppe made a short historic resume about the LEGO Technic Supercars across the years, at technic.LEGO.com blog.

Probably the most significant sentence for all of us, is that he promises the 8070 was not the last supercar to come out of LEGO Technic theme... as if we didn't know.

He continues with a couple of questions "How would you design your supercar of your dreams? Which functions would you add to the category? And what historical Technic Supercar would be your source of inspiration?"

Now our question should be... "What?... When the next LEGO Technic Supercar will come out?"

26 comments:

efferman said...

what should the next supercar have?
5+reverse gearbox behind the Middle rear engine. all wheel drive, working steering wheel, suspension with variable stiffnes (comfort/sport/racetrack), convertible roof, and most important there should "no" electrical components be included

Parda said...

Efferman described it perfectly

Allanp said...

I agree with pretty much everything efferman said, but may I add that (hear it comes again folks!) it should have more than one size of synchromesh gears, at least 5 really, like in real gearboxes. May I also suggest that the 4 teeth of the driving ring as well as the corresponding teeth inside the synchromesh gears be turned around 180 degrees so that when torque is transmitted through the gears, the driving ring and the clutch gear are pulled towards each other instead of being forced apart causing lots of friction. And a more realistic gear change mechanism please. Changeing gears in the 8880 was wonderful and smooth, but in the 8448 and 8466 it's horrible. A way of chaning gears via a gearstick that is not mounted directly above the gearbox would also be nice. Whilst I fully agree that it should not really have any PF, it would be nice if the trasmisstion was built strong enough and with as very little friction as possible so that it could easily be motorised, like the 8110 unimog. As for inspiration from existing supercars, personally the 8880 is the only technic set to look like a true supercar. The others look more like muscle cars or cruisers or SUVs and so on. And colour is very important, white would be freaking sweeeeeet, or a dark metallic blue. but NOT red or orange. Orage is great for construction machinery but there are much better colours for supercars.

BTW does anyone else think it should have pop up headlights, you know, like tradition?!

Allanp said...

Just one more thing. Just read the article you linked to on the technic website and it seems to me like the writer struggled to make the 8070 seem as innovative as what has come before, especially the likes of the test car and the 8880. He wrote of how the suspention is the test car brought techinc supercars closer to real life, and I agree. the gearbox in the 8880 brought it a step closer, but that system (of using only one size of synchromesh gear, the dark grey/bley 16r gear) is 17 years old now. That's as old as technic itself was in 1994 when it was released. I think the time has come (or should I say overdue) for something better and more realistic.

efferman said...

yes pop up headlights would be nice. hm, why not a a re release of the 8865, 8880 and 8448 in a classic series? or every year the flagship from 20years and 10 years ago
And as a new supercar flagship a 1:8 Lamborghini Aventador

AVCampos said...

I'm slightly disappointed that the 8466 got left out again from the "Supercars Hall of Fame": is being more an SUV instead of a sports car enough to demote it from Supercar status? If so, the 853 shouldn't be a Supercar either, with its four seats (five if one raises the central arm rest). In my opinion, since the 8466 has a mechanical complexity between those of the 8448 and the 8880 and they are both considered "Supercars", then so should the 8466. >:(

Whew, with that out of my system, I'll proceed... Definitely, my vote for the inspiration for the next Supercar is the 8880. Sure, when it came out, sports cars had steering in the front and traction in the rear, which made the 8880 unrealistic, but current tech (correct me if I'm wrong: I'm not a 100% car enthusiast) now favours 4WD and 4WS on high-performance vehicles, not just off-road ones. Also, among the body styles of past Supercars (8466 included, obviously), the 8880's style is the one I think has the most futuristic, concept-car look, followed by the 8070. The only thing missing from it is opening doors like those of the 8448 and 8466.

Regarding mechanical functions, I too agree with Efferman: more emphasis on the mechanical and less on the electrical. Although, for exhibition purposes, functional headlights (covered with trans-blue elements for a "xenon" look) and doors would look extremely cool! Maybe those could be an optional add-on via 8293. I also agree with Allanp regarding the colour: red is so ordinary! For a Supercar to be truly "Super", it should have an equally cool colour. Again, the 8466 is an example with its Metallic Green body. As for new syncromesh gears in different sizes, I don't use them enough to have an opinion about possible other uses besides gearboxes. What could without a doubt improve is the connection between syncromesh gears and their driving rings: their backlash is simply horrible and has effects on other applications, like the transmission to the 8043's tracks. And it would be so easy to correct, with wider "teeth" on both elements!

Bob2512 said...

I count this as a supercar, but some of you may not... I want a large scale, highly detailed, Tumbler from the current Batman films.

I'm a huge fan of the large scale Technic sets and would love to see something like this!

Alessandro Bartoli, MBA said...

A Supercar with a design similar to the 80s Nikko Super Dictator. Key feature would be an hybrid Pneumatic/electric suspension system with adjustable height and stiffness via remote control:

1. A remote controlled PF electric motor would adjust the height of the suspensions,
2. A remote controlled PF/Pneumatic air compressor would control pre-selectable levels of stiffness. This would feature an auto-switch off system adjustable to 3 levels with different degrees of stiffness.

Helmy said...

The next supercar should get even more features, and to me it wouldn't matter if half of the features are not PF. I was always fascinated by the seatadjusting of the very early supercar sets.

What always kept me thinking since the Unimog was shown for the first time, is that maybe, very far away, there could be space to expand the Mercedes Licensed line-up with a silver-panel SLS AMG, with working wingdoors and rear wing

21st century Cars said...
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21st century Cars said...

100% agree with efferman and the fact that if it would be a Lamborghini Aventador makes it a wonderful design but

what do you think if these features were on a Mercedes SLS or even a CLS?

ron1000 said...

Yeah, why not a 4 / 5 door car (Porsche Panamera, Aston Martin Rapide) or an Audi A4/6/8 with 4 wheel drive.

Or a WRC rally car, like Ford or Citroen both are 4 wheel drive

but not in red or black outer body colors.

crowkillers said...

No PF so that there is no big bulky PF battery box taking up space and weighning the model down...

Either that or make the battery box smaller. Why can't the battery box be slightly larger than a 9v battery?

Not Red- The 8070 would have looked so much better if it was white...

New Wheels...

Upgrade kits - offer a base car model and then sell separate component upgrades. Let everyone have their own unique model. Maybe 3 different types of wheels, different spoiler packs, front and rear end packs...

Not supercar related, but the main thing I would like to see from the technic line is a complete array of technic panels and flex axles in the same color. At least all of the primary/main colors...

KEvron said...

cup holders.

KEvron

Erik Leppen said...

Working steering wheel is a must. Preferably while keeping the HOG (as in 8880.) Gearbox is very much prefered, althought I'd already be happy if it's only four gears.

No PF please.

I like adjustable seats (8865), movable headlights (8880) and any sort of doors (8653!).

As for design, I'd love to see a Pagani Zonda but that's probably not feasible. Other models I'd love to see are Lamborghini Countach, any Koenigsegg, Jaguar XJ220, or any modern Lamborghini.

Color: anything but red. I'd love blue, white or orange. If it has to be black or dark gray, then please another color for the frame.

louis0304 said...

A Countach would be awesome. But I'd also like to see a Offroader again. Like some others said with adjustable suspension, although we had that in 8297. And of course an exciting color.

walters.stephen1 said...

A Pagani Zonda is absolutely a great idea for the next Technic supercar. A sequential gearbox is also a good idea; the Technic designers are years behind sheepo, nk and the crowkillers cars. Why not a Bugatti Veyron? And a Countach would be AWESOME! I get shivers every time I look at that car, that would be great to have on my shelf. It would be even better to have a sound brick with the V12 sound from the real Countach. I agree that the ultimate Technic supercar needs:

1:Different sizes of syncromesh gears so that you could design it like a real gearbox,with a more pleasant-to-use system

2:Absolutely no Power Functions unless Lego makes it entirely remote-controlled with drive and steering

3:New colours!What about lime green or a two-tone job like the Veyron's?

Think about it Lego!

crowkillers said...

LOL.... If anything we are years behind them, especially considering that Designers have every part at their disposal including new elements which we have never seen...

The Designers at Lego could easily build cars leaps and bounds better than anything that I have ever done or could do, and quite possibly anyone else (except for maybe Nathanaƫl)...

Unfortunately they have guidelines that they go by thus limiting what could actually become a reality...

I would love for once just to get a peak and some of the prototype models that never made it into production...

Allanp said...

You are exactly right Crowkillers. What you guys make are some of the best MOCs i've ever seen for sure, but TLG have capabilities to bring something new to the table we could only dream of (especially the ability to come up with new parts and to pay someone to work at least 9 till 5, 5 days a week for most the year to design just one model) so I do have much higher expectations of them than anything we could make.

Erik said...

You know Crow, it doesn't get anymore humble than that. :) You are still one of the best pure technic car builders out there. Many of your designs and ideas could have very well come from TLC themselves and no one would know any different. Your new all wheel drive concept with new gearbox is amazingly well done. You inspire as much as anyone out there.

Cheers

Conchas said...

@crowkillers

"I would love for once just to get a peak and some of the prototype models that never made it into production..."

I don't believe that such prototypes would go that far.
If something big gets rejected, it should be at an early proof of concept stage and no (big) effort is put on further development.
Do you remember the photos we got for the 8043 Excavator concept!?
I think this is about the point where they have the go/no-go.
So I would not expect to see a detailed and complex design, in the trash bin...

We have seen for instance several versions from the 8110 Unimog U400, but that I think it was also a different story. :)

Ondra said...

has anybody think about 2H2012 rock crawler as supercar?

Allanp said...

Or the 8480 space shuttle as a super car? LOL

ron1000 said...

I really love the ideas the new supercar.

Please no Gullwing doors, I already have 5 models with these kind of doors.

Steering: from the in site of the car and prefert with a HOG like 8880 kit.
Also the steering should be as nice as the 8448, steering fusees are almost in the middle of the rims, and please not like the 8110 Unimog.

Adjustable seats, like the black boxer car from the '80's with the red seats.

I will look forward what TLC will manufacture for us.

Krika99 said...

@Bob2512
Damn right you are, and you're not alone. The tumbler is a perfect example of a supercar, although it is focused more on function than fashion. A working roof would be so much better than any of the convertible tops anywhere, and even better if it is coupled to rising seats. Not to mention the steering system, which would take Technic to a whole new level. Also, working flaps, front cannons and rear bombs would be nice, and would perfectly tie in with the new DC line.

walters.stephen1 said...

Hey guys,

Perhaps I should have clarified what I said about TLG being years behind some of the MOC supercars out there. What I meant to say was that, despite the amazing capabilities that the official Lego designers have, they don't ever actually sell the models which are right up with NK and crowkillers in terms of design innovation and realistic functions.

What I want from Lego right now is a sequential gearbox. I realize this is really wishful thinking, but what I would like to see from Lego is a large supercar like sheepo's Porsche 911 with sequential gearbox, dual clutch, progressive accelerator, fully remote-controlled, etc. Obviously this is extremely unlikely, but it would sell--even if it's much more difficult to build than the current Lego models.

Having said that, I have a few more ideas for licensed models. How about a McLaren F1 or Jaguar E-type? Come on Lego, you'd sell a lot of these models--even if you had to market them in a seperate AFOL-only category.

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